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This issue is very closely linked with the issue of Clinton’s electability and many articles touch on both sets of points.
So see also: http://underlore.com/bernie-sanders-electability/
Hillary Cannot Win, Bernie Will Win: It’s About Turnout
Extreme? No. A Hillary nomination moves the General into Mondale or Dukakis territory (see Appendix at bottom). Polls consistently show Hillary’s Unfavorable rating exceeding 50% and she is seen as dishonest and untrustworthy by 61% of Americans–that’s greater than Trump, Hillary starts the race from behind, name-recognition her only asset, and with undecideds on her in single-digits, she has no path to victory.
But why the near landslide loss? It’s a perfect storm, led by the nation’s mood. Over two-thirds think we are on the wrong track. People want change. Hillary is The Establishment politics-as-usual candidate in an election cycle where a significant portion of the American electorate is demanding change. Hillary turns off every American wanting change which includes significant portions of the Democratic base. If Hillary is the nominee, there will be record low turnout from traditional Democratic constituencies like students, labor unions, and minorities. She will get little support from Progressives many of whom will, if they vote at all, vote Green. Among independents, Hillary is viewed unfavorably by a large majority (net -27 in the latest poll), and she strongly motivates the Republican base to vote to defeat her–Conservatives hate her even more than they hate Obama. A Hillary nomination guarantees Republican victory.
Petition update · Now more than ever, it’s gotta be #BernieOrBust · Change.org
If you have not already taken the #BernieOrBust pledge, please do so by clicking below. If you have already taken it, now is when we need to build this movement faster than ever. Bernie, down ~300 pledged delegates, really needs a miracle. Please find two of the 30% of Bernie’s supporters, who will not vote for Clinton according to a recent poll, and ask them to take the pledge. You can send them to http://BernieorBust.org to take it. This #leverage is his best hope in our view.
To those of you liberals who don’t understand the Bernie or Bust movement, allow me to explain it in a way that may be clearer and more detailed than what you are used to hearing.
The people of this movement have come to the realization that our current system is broken beyond repair and the time for incremental change is over. This is worth repeating. The system under no circumstances can be fixed with establishment politics; it can only be fixed by a progressive political revolution that sends a message loud and clear that we the people are setting a new standard for our elected representatives.
Bernie Sanders understands the urgency to navigate our way out the whirlpool of injustice and impending disasters that inevitably await us and he has a voting record that proves he has the wisdom required to make the right decisions for the country.
Liberals for Hillary: There is Nothing Stranger
The first order of business in that regard is to make anti-austerity politics succeed. This makes perfect sense – because if anything radically better is to come onto the agenda in the foreseeable future, quashing neoliberalism is an indispensable first step.
Small wonder then that there is enough fervor in the Bernie camp that Clinton’s publicists, and the media hacks that serve them, are now warning that, like the Republicans, the Democrats could splinter apart, thanks to Bernie’s refusal to turn his operation over to the Clinton machine. If only this were true!
The Definitive, Encyclopedic Case For Why Hillary Clinton is the Wrong Choice
[NOTE: This is a long piece! If you want to read or print it out in pdf form, you can find it right here and download it to your computer and read at your convenience.]
But time is short and the stakes are high, and I want to focus on a pattern of her claiming to be a progressive Democrat while taking positions that are too often more closely aligned with the other side of the aisle, and on a record that I worry makes her a real longshot if she’s our nominee.
Please Recognize Your Privilege If You Can Afford Eight Years of Hillary Clinton and the Status Quo — Medium
Some people say Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are approximately the same on the issues. These people likely have a lifestyle and a level of income that is comfortable and that they’re not too worried about losing. For middle class and working class people, many of whom struggle from paycheck to paycheck and carry debt, the policies proposed by the two candidates are nothing alike.
How Hillary Clinton Bought the Loyalty of 33 State Democratic Parties
From these large amounts of money being transferred from state coffers to the Hillary Victory Fund in Washington, the Clinton campaign got the first $2,700, the DNC was to get the next $33,400, and the remainder was to be split among the 33 signatory states. With this scheme, the Hillary Victory Fund raised over $26 million for the Clinton Campaign by the end of 2015.
Susan Sarandon: I Don’t Think I Could Vote For Hillary If Sanders Loses | Video | RealClearPolitics
“It’s dangerous to think we can continue the way we are with the militarized police force, with the death penalty and the low minimum wage and threats to women’s rights and think you can’t do something huge to turn that around. The country is not in good shape if you’re in the middle class. It’s disappearing,” Sarandon said Monday night on MSNBC.
Hear this, Sanders supporters — you don’t need to back Hillary: You have every right to say “Bernie or bust” – Salon.com
Gitmo remains open, American troops are still in Afghanistan, the criminals that engineered the financial crisis are at large, and race relations have deteriorated rather than improved. Now Sanders supporters hear Hillary Clinton promising to continue wherever Barack Obama leaves off, and they wonder what the point of four more years of the same would be in an increasingly desperate country and, indeed, world.
Hillary Clinton Is Better Than the Republican Candidates. But I Still Wouldn’t Vote for Her.
Both Clinton and party leaders are making a mockery of many of the principles the party is supposed to stand for. And pledging to support Clinton in the end – no matter what she and the DNC do – enables this kind of behavior. It’s hard for me to see how we will ever fix our political process and reclaim our democracy by refusing to draw some lines in the sand.
Fear of Bernie or bust movement expressed on progressive outlets | Examiner.com
The Bernie or bust pledge, an idea initiated by Revolt Against Plutocracy last June, commits pledge-takers to either write in Bernie Sanders or vote for the Green Party candidate in the general election if Bernie is not the nominee. After reaching 50,000 pledges in late February, the story was picked up by the Washington Times on March 1st. Fox News and CNN asked for interviews, but only Fox has found the time in the last two weeks to cover the story. MSNBC refuses to mention the movement. So much for their “liberal bias.” CNN already has the reputation as the Clinton News Network. Perhaps its time for progressives to recognize MSNBClinton as well.
Thank Your Favorite God for Bernie’s Michigan Win, Because A Clinton Nomination Would Split the Democratic Party
Sanders’ win is a good thing for Democrats because he is the only candidate who can unite the party in November. There is no way economic progressives and Bernie supporters will accept a Hillary Clinton nomination after everything they’ve seen in this primary.
Before Her Assassination, Berta Cáceres Singled Out Hillary Clinton for Backing Honduran Coup | Democracy Now!
Every other country in the world or in Latin America was demanding the restitution of democracy and the return of Manuel Zelaya. It was Clinton who basically relegated that to a secondary concern and insisted on elections, which had the effect of legitimizing and routinizing the coup regime and creating the nightmare scenario that exists today.
Proof that Ignorance Drives Hillary Clinton’s Voters | Global Research – Centre for Research on… – Linkis.com
But the point is, yet again, that, in the general-election match-ups, Sanders really and authentically IS the more electable of the two Democrats to become the U.S. President. That’s just a fact, though consistently Clinton voters assume the exact opposite of the fact. Their assumption on that is plain false.
Viewpoint: explaining why the United States needs a revolution | Examiner.com
While many, if not virtually all of Bernie Sanders’ supporters want a woman as president someday, the people who believe the U.S. “needs” a female president are those who have the greatest requirement to understand our corrupted, rigged system of government. While many citizens want a female president, the United States needs a political revolution.
What Hillary Clinton wants you to forget: Her disastrous record as a war hawk – Salon.com
If Clinton had done anything other than endorsed the deal, she would have created a major headache for herself. Even so, her speech about the deal highlighted what ought to be–but probably won’t be–a deeply examined part of her ideology: her hyper-hawkishness.
Hillary Clinton, Economic Populist: Are You Fucking Kidding Me? | Opinion | teleSUR English
For the 2016 election, with the electorate in a restive mood, Clinton has gone back to the populist well. Her rhetoric is more left wing than last time. She talks about paid family leave and increasing Social Security and the minimum wage, all welcome developments. Yet there is little substance behind the speechifying.
I Am Absolutely Furious and I Don’t Know What to Do With Myself
When I think of Hillary Clinton offering her eloquent ode yesterday to Nancy Reagan for the late first lady’s supposed “very effective, low key [AIDS] advocacy” — thereby not only ignoring the horrible, evil truth of what happened but actually rewriting history and casting Reagan as some kind of hero, I am absolutely furious and I don’t know what to do with myself.
The case against Hillary Clinton: This is the disaster Democrats must avoid – Salon.com
Were Clinton to take office, would she seriously push for greater economic fairness, more peace and a generally progressive agenda, or would she defend the status quo?To answer this, let’s look first at our context. Strange things are happening. Establishment neoconservatives seem to be gravitating toward Clinton as an anti-Trump
Hillary Clinton 2016: What’s Wrong with Hillary? – POLITICO Magazine
But when you look at the positions she has taken on some of the most significant public policy questions of her time, you cannot escape noticing one key pattern: She has always embraced the politically popular stand—indeed, she has gone out of her way to reinforce that stand—and she has shifted her ground in a way that perfectly correlates with the shifts in public opinion.
Revolt Against Plutocracy – Movement for an American political revolution
Bernie or Bust: A pledge to write-in Bernie Sanders or vote for the Green Party candidate 57,000+ people have taken so far. Why? Keep reading.
33% of Sanders Supporters Will Not Vote for Clinton If She Wins Nomination
The real takeaway, however, is that 33% of Sanders supporters say that they “Could not see themselves supporting Clinton” in the general election. Additionally, 32% describe themselves as having “a negative view of Clinton.”
Will Quigg, KKK Grand Dragon, Switches Support From Trump to Hillary Clinton
“We want Hillary Clinton to win. She is telling everybody one thing, but she has a hidden agenda,” Quigg, a grand dragon of the KKK’s California chapter who is responsible for recruitment across the Western United States, told the Telegraph.
My thoughts on this link: https://plus.google.com/+BrandonSergent/posts/ixYCfjD1oW4
Firstly, as I describe in the meme above, the price of Hillary is death for the entire concept of a progressive party in America.
People are assuming Trump would be worst based on habit and hyperbole.
1. Democrat is not automatically better than republican when both Trump and HRC are only wearing the labels for expediency.
2. Trump will not be allowed to be Hitler 2.0. We aren’t electing an Emperor and we are the most heavily armed public of any major nation.
He may want to be Hitler, or even try. He would be quickly stopped one way or another.
After you get past those two facts and start looking at HRC vs Trump, vs what you don’t know about Trump and what you know for a fact about HRC, also once you look at the consequences of rewarding an overt neoliberal with the presidency, Trump vs HRC becomes a no brainer.
It’s not what you think. HRC is WAY more dangerous than that orange buffoon.
But even if it wasn’t that dire, still I would not be voting for Hillary if she
steals “wins” the democratic primary.
A knife in the back is worse than a sword on your shield. Period.
Many have argued that Bernie would be a qualitatively establishment president, and that Hillary would be preferable to Trump or Cruz. But we already tested that theory in 2008, and I do not like the outcome.
Calling any president establishment is a baseless assertion unless you expand the definition of establishment to such a broad degree that it’s semantically null.
We haven’t seen a progressive president in the modern era. The last one we had was Carter. The last one like Bernie was FDR.
Also, the covert republican logic applies to the SCOTUS as well. Just look at Obama’s SCOTUS appointment. I’d rather have it publicly understood that we have a corrupt right wing court than the illusion of a progressive one. Because then we could agitate collectively in a useful direction, as opposed to wasting time trying to reason with a covert partisan.
I voted for Obama the second time because of appointment anxiety. But again, I dislike the outcome. We ended up with a right wing SCOTUS anyway. Compare their rulings with the desires of the chamber of commerce. And yet where is the organized left wing protest? Absent because of the assumption that Obama is on our side because he’s black and because he wears the D and because he campaigned like Bernie.
If we truly know on the other hand that the SCOTUS and the administration are both right wing and corrupt then our efforts can be properly focused on taking back the whitehouse and obstructing everything they do in congress and lower courts. As we clearly would Vs Trump.
If we get a right wing all three, then it becomes a matter of taking back both congress and the whitehouse or forcing them to show their hand as a totalitarian state at which point other options need be explored.
In all cases the enemy you can see is preferable to a traitor you cannot. Hillary would get the Obama apologist treatment, as is proven by the HRC camp right now. They are positively eager to make excuses for her blatantly conservative career. And thus were she elected, the country would further drag to the right anyway, but without meaningful resistance.
Bernie on the other hand, is in all senses an activist. Electing him will basically be the first step of a bloodless coup designed to topple an oligarchy. Compromise is no longer acceptable.
Look at what is on the table.
Trump is literally turning into Hitler. I’m not even exaggerating. He would be a lame ineffectual Hitler thank the gods, but that’s what he wants, and there’s always the slim slim chance he’ll get it. And then there’s global warming Hillary will make worse, then there’s the TPP she’ll instantly find an excuse to back, continued mass incarceration which she and her husband invented, and a global bank collapse she’ll profit from, and the 2nd great depression that won’t impact her.
Look at the historical analogs. We’re risking a literal second holocaust, the literal end of the food chain, a literal global environmental collapse, and possibly WW3 if she pisses off Russia bad enough in Syria, etc.
I am not even kidding about any of that. Granted it’s not all likely, but it is very clearly on the table.
Hillary and Trump terrify me. But Hillary an order of magnitude more so. That’s why I’m #BernieOrBust because I’d rather have an earlier shot at changing course than smoother sailing in the mean time.
Electing Hillary might be better for a very short while, but it would be like how Obamacare killed single payer only with the entire concept of progressivism in the United States. I would rather we had suffered another four years of nothing followed by single payer, than 8 years of Obamacare.
I’m playing the long game. And so should you unless you’re 90 years old and childless.
Update 2016-03-20 0404 AM: The Dark Truth About Many Democrats
I’ve come to realize something.
The hate of #BernieOrBust voters shows that something sinister lies behind much of the the lesser of two evils voting. An excuse.
HRC followers I think are not in fact immune to evidence. I think southern voters are not as suppressed as our benefit of the doubt would imply. They are simply closet republicans.
Secretly they love the wars, the shootings, the rape, the executions, the poisoned children, the slaves, the urban decay, the crushing squalor, the torture, the despair, the opulence, the dystopian future, the smog, the toil, the disease, the ascension fantasy, the rigid hierarchy, the shared flattering lies, the mockery, the scorn, the false humility, the condescension, the caste system. And above all, the excuses for them.
I think there is some Stanford prison experiment stuff going on here. Some fight or flight or appease response.
They shake their heads and tut, but inside they are elated. Like the apple tossing peasants of the public execution era and the colosseum.
They just prefer to pretend their hand is forced. They are sadists hiding behind duty. And so they call themselves progressive and pretend they don’t see. They hide behind the lies and “compromise” further and further dark. Because in the words of the TV, they don’t want to end the exploitation, they want to become the exploiters.
They are horrified by the thought of actual progressive political victory. Of the game finally being fair with no brutal punishments for the losers.
So they violently defend a totalitarian warmongering psychopath and pretend this defense is evasion of a pathological lying narcissist that excuses them. But like the man said, being against evil doesn’t make you good. We need to admit there is evil in our camp.
These people don’t have the ethical fortitude for an equitable and humane future. And so they pretend to be bamboozled. They vote against their own interests, and waggle their fingers with one hand and fondle their genitals with the other.
It is not ignorance we battle. It is evil. Evil I define here as the natural inclination to derive joy from the true suffering of others, and this inclination being allowed to define personal policy. A form of a person’s nature that is simply malevolent.
As I said, being against evil doesn’t make you good, so hating and hurting these people is not the solution. But neither is converting them. You can’t talk a fish out of water. The solution is to simply out flank them. To prove that democracy is wisdom by out voting both the overtly and covertly evil. Admit that conversion is impossible. Simply dismiss them. And look elsewhere for those of our kind. The utilitarians. The undiscovered social democrats. To find them and show them the opportunity they have.
The young are the key. We must convince them to actually vote. The time is now.
A short #BernieOrBust Discussion (with tweet) · Innomen · Storify
Where in we talk about the merits and flaws of a Trump win if Hillary wins the nomination.
How I got banned from Dailykos.com in less than 8 hours.
Where in I tell the tale of how I was banned from Daily Kos for being a #BernieOrBust voter before it was a hashtag.