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My Position on the 911 Debate

It’s a lost cause.

Not even this essay matters.

By the time average Americans are willing to critically consider the official claims surrounding the most politically important event of the 21st century, the current generation will be either AI hybrid transhuman cyborgs, or littered about the landscape in the form of boxed skeletons and jars of ash.

The terrorists already won. Either set, or both. George Bush could have a press conference with a U-haul truck full of irrefutable physical evidence contradicting the official accounts and it wouldn’t matter to any of these programmable people until the TV tells them it matters.

They will believe literally anything the authorities tell them. Anything. Pandemic fact immunity is the United States education system’s greatest achievement.

My position is that the damage is done and by the time the official story is altered to reflect reality. (Even to admit there is debate.) It will be as late and irrelevant as changes to the plaque on the Hindenburg display. (Which by the way we are still debating.)

Even when we admit we were wrong we never change policy about it. For example, the only person to go to jail for the torture scandal is the guy that reported it to us. Just as possession is nine tenths of the law, what’s done is done.

The very fact that the drones consider the matter closed and therefore no longer worthy of study, to the point of feeling justified in overtly mocking anyone who doesn’t open their discussions with assertions of status quo belief, shows how dogmatic and emotional their position is, as opposed to one based on rational skepticism.

Put this in perspective. We still call relativity a theory. We aren’t even sure about gravity yet. And yet these people consider this matter well and truly settled. That’s not remotely scientific or rational. That’s pure ideology.

They are in blatant contradiction because every other historical event is, even to them, open to and worthy of, constant study on academic grounds alone because the science and tool set is always evolving and we as a species are always literally generating fresh sets of eyes.

Without exception even the most clown suit crazy 9/11 conspiracy theory is more scientific than considering the matter completely decided.

Everything to a real scientist is provisional.

Obviously some things are closer to decided than others. For example we’re pretty sure of Lincoln’s birthday. But that doesn’t mean we’re going to openly mock anyone who presents an alternative.

What this boils down to is the fact that these people were patriotically indoctrinated to accept a very specific and convenient narrative, and to on those same grounds ideologically and vehemently reject any contradiction.

So long as these people make it unsafe to even study this event, this will be an item of nationalist dogma, not actual history. Every bit as arbitrary and sacrosanct as the official North Korean state mythology surrounding the Great Leader’s uncanny golf skills.

Updated: July 21, 2015 — 6:43 am

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  1. I agree, the truth here doesn’t matter anymore. Even if the absolute truth would surface, no one would recognize it anymore. However, I do agree that it doesn’t matter. Perhaps for different reason than others.
    I think that truths such as you speak of, requires the ability to want to recognize it, the ability to evaluate the input and the want for it and also the capability to accept something less comforting and safe.
    Until then no up rise caused by anyone will have a different effect other than defamation of character, imprisonment or death and all cycles of human behavior will remain as they are. Still, unmoving and extremely prone to atrophy.
    And another reason it doesn’t matter to know the truth is that when you get down to it, it just a fight between men that have actual soldiers and weapons to settle their differences and use them instead of their tongue. Petty, but it is the core of the matter. If they hunt each other, the only thing that will happen is that they will grab more destructive weapons and take more desperate steps in an attempt to convince the other.
    It’s childish to “fight” instead of talk out your differences and reach a compromise/ make a concession. However, if you do not know and cannot see what truly blinds you, how can you change.
    Woe on them, not on us.
    The decay of society, in my opinion, in inevitable, what’s left now, is to prepare and step in when there’s finally the proverbial space to do so.
    Mankind (this includes myself) has lost touch of the true values of life and the true value of earth. It will do nature good to restore some balance and it would do man good to have a common crisis. It might stop them scrutinizing others and focus more on their own behavior when they’re forced to work harder for the things they now take for granted. Their values will change and so will the opinion of the masses.
    What comes out of that might still not be good, but breaking an evolutionary chain that’s been there for so many centuries will not be changed in a few decades and it will need a huge change to spur it into being/ action.
    Until then mankind’s animalistic instinct will fight petty territorial fights and use others to reach that goal. It’s instinctual and it has reached that point by everyone’s doing. It’s the natural order of things. When nature is out of balance, it will inevitable level the playing field at some point. We’re too close together, made and kept lethargic, kept docile so that the population as a masses don’t start a war or up rising.
    It can annoy you to no extent I agree, but I prefer to behold the beauty of nature slowly going about her business and creeping up on us. We’ll catch up to ourselves and so will nature if keep failing.
    I find it comforting to know that, even if I might not see the day, one day, the world will be very different from what it is now. It’s satisfying to me. Enough to not be worried or too worked up anymore about current events. It’s enough to know that no matter how messed up things will get, things fall apart and the center will not hold.

    1. Thank you once again for an excellent comment. If you’d like to write/publish something here let me know.

      Not to just reply with spam, but genuinely you might like these:

      http://underlore.com/foreign-policy/
      (Shared because I too see the current war cycle as pointless and have a solution.)

      http://underlore.com/thats-why-i-stopped/
      (Shared because that “very different” time you speak of is probably a smidge closer than you might think.)

      _”When nature is out of balance, it will inevitable level the playing field at some point. “_

      Eh, I see what you’re saying, but technically not true. At one point for example there wasn’t oxygen. Once that got started it was pretty much a permanent change.

      I see the universe as far more a progression than a cycle.

      _”I think that truths such as you speak of, requires the ability to want
      to recognize it, the ability to evaluate the input and the want for it
      and also the capability to accept something less comforting and safe.”_

      You make a brilliant point that goes to pandemic fact immunity and I think you’ve nailed down a major organ of that monster.

      The “ability to want” in a given direction is an interesting concept. I’ve never parsed desire as an ability, but you’re obviously right. It is. I have many times thought that what makes me a good person is that I genuinely desire joy in others.

      In the sense that I am capable of this and others are not, it is indeed an ability.

      That has my brain spiraling off into a hundred directions. I mean if it’s an ability would giving that ability to people be empowerment or manipulation?

      This goes to volition engineering.

      It goes to one of the core questions of my life. Is engineered desire genuine in the sense that it should be respected the same as non-engineered desire?

      1. First off… Sorry that my replies are always so incredibly long.
        I think having an ability does not immediately inspire one to use it, direct it. I think that requires a higher level of autonomy, but this can also be taught, but only if one already wishes to, but lacks the courage to do this on a consistent basis. What that needs is someone that shows them how to shoulder the critique and and consequence that they still see as something that could break their conviction. Call it courage or willpower. I think all these things can be taught and eventually directed by the wielder. Providing they have the will to do so and the insight to know that all things require sacrifice of a sort.
        As for that moment that the fall begins. It has already begun. Decades ago. The ball’s only just now picking up speed from rolling downhill. I don’t mind. I’m ready as I’ll ever be I suppose.
        As for your point of their no being oxygen. That is true, but even then there was nature in a form. Mankind is not the only thing that makes up nature. By the time the earth comes to her end it will not look like the earth we know now either. Not in the slightest. I think that in that cycle we are merely an instance. An up flare. And that’s more what I was referring to. In that cycle, what mankind has done has very little impact, but if it is out balance, it will correct itself so long as it is healthy enough to do so.
        It’s like a nuclear blast. For society it would have devastating effects, but, given time, our atmosphere filters out the radiation to the cosmos, restoring balance/ to it’s previous state. Likewise for the cycle of nature here.
        I do think that oxygen was the game changer for the evolutionary possibility for humans.
        I really like your foreign policy post and I wish that could be an option. I think it isn’t for a couple of very sad things. I’m, as a rule, actually against discussing political affairs because, if you would categorize my opinion, you’d call me an anarchist I suppose. I’m not anti authority persé, but I do think that a tiny group of men are not capable of caring or judging for such an enormous group of citizens and I think they well know it. However, if you don’t mind, I don’t mind hehehe.
        I’m pro letting the house burn down as you state so eloquently. Not because I don’t feel like getting my hands dirty or anything like that, but because I think it has reached a point of no return. I believe some things, when portrayed and enforced by a society can become part of our…. DNA programming if you will. Some threats are recorded in the brain of race and passed on. Not sure how this is called anymore sorry! But I think it has come to a point where that part of the human brain needs a ‘new recording’ to add to it’s inventory. We have trained ourselves and each other to be insensitive to so many things, but suffering we have only made an art out of. None can be as miserable as the human race. So it must be there that our new recording happens, if you’d ask me. A suffering so profound that our fight/flight response will record it and pass it on. That will make the true change of it happen and disrupt the cycle long enough to create another. But that cycle can only be brought to fruition if enough of us are capable of the abilities mentioned in the previous post. And I think that teaching these abilities, flaunting them, is all the rational can do at this moment in time.
        Can’t wait to hear what your thoughts, on these things being an ability, turn into in the end!

        1. ~First off… Sorry that my replies are always so incredibly long.~

          No problem at all. The volume of my own work is staggering. When I second compiled a book of it it was over 300,000 words and that was after reducing it by half.

          Brief and to the point is something I struggle with ye verily.

          ~”I think having an ability does not immediately inspire one to use it…”~

          Do you think it would be possible to use the techniques of volition engineering on a voluntary scale? Like would all the cult indoctrination stuff still work if you explained what you were doing and the subject knew it was coming?

          I actually think it would be.

          The trick is getting someone to trust you to that degree. I guess I’m thinking of a new kind of therapy basically, giving the subject the power to edit their own desires.

          ~”As for that moment that the fall begins…”~

          You read my apex post so you know that I have a very high opinion of humanity’s future.

          I think the notion of things falling apart is actually a security blanket. Like “better the devil you know” because we can picture total collapse, and even prepare for it while by definition the singularity is unpredictable. It’s like knowing a black swan is coming. By definition you can’t prepare, and that’s terrifying to people on a level they don’t even understand.

          I agree completely about your point that what is a big deal to us means nothing to nature.

          That’s part of why I am not an environmentalist. The only thing I care about is sentience. And only then because it experiences. Pain and death are my enemies. Not change. If I could wildly edit nature, I would.

          http://www.hedweb.com/abolitionist-project/reprogramming-predators.html

          Me and David see mostly eye to eye on this. I have no fear of “ecological collapse” any more than you fear human social collapse. Even without editing our own nature I could see us putting vertical nuclear powered farms in old missile silos and in-vitro meat factories and oxygen reactors.

          We are not taking responsibility for this planet. I don’t think we should try to keep it frozen in time, I think we should treat it like a garden. And that means pulling the weeds, filling the ponds, etc.

          ~”I do think that oxygen was the game changer for the evolutionary possibility for humans.”~

          There’s no doubt. It enabled a speed of cellular metabolism that was physically impossible before. It was like gasoline for the cell.

          ~”I really like your foreign policy post and I wish that could be an option.”~

          It will be as weapon development proceeds. Also robots. Robots don’t care about being bullet fodder. Once we have robots building robots powered by nuclear reactors, (At the factory level, not individually,) we’ll be perfectly fine with 100 to 1 subdue ratios. By that I mean we’ll be fine with sending and losing a thousand robots just to take 10 enemies of humanity without killing anyone.

          It’s a technological problem at this point. And frankly whoever builds those robots first, as earned the right to have the power they grant because they proved better priority management than the rest of the species.

          For example, North Korea won’t ever because psychosis corruption and starvation, America won’t because corruption sadism and complacency, but South Korea might. Japan might. France might. Etc.

          ~”I do think that a tiny group of men are not capable of caring or judging for such an enormous group of citizens…”~

          I’m biased because I feel like as an ethical person and a policy specialist I could actually direct a nation/planet rather well. I know I’ll never get the chance. But I do have a video game version lol

          https://www.nationstates.net/nation=innomina

          ~”Some threats are recorded in the brain of race and passed on. “~

          Heh, you remind me of one of my favorite quotes from a Sci-Fi novel:

          “I promised them a lesson their bones would remember.” ~Leto II, God Emperor of Dune

          ~”I think it has reached a point of no return.”~

          We are always in that moment. Effort at regression are doomed facades. The Amish wear tennis shoes for a reason.

          ~”None can be as miserable as the human race.”~

          The human race is indeed objectively doomed. It will either evolve into something else or die.

          ~”So it must be there that our new recording happens, if you’d ask me.”~

          We’ll skip the middle man and make the needed edits directly in people like me.

          http://www.hedweb.com/abolitionist-project/index.html

          ~”that cycle can only be brought to fruition if enough of us are capable of the abilities mentioned in the previous post.”~

          Nah, it just takes a new set of technological abilities at a given price point. 🙂

          http://underlore.com/no-worries/

          This is old but it’s relevant.

          (I BADLY need an AI to help my database my work. I fetch links from a very lousy memory.)

      2. Oh and I’ll gladly read any extra information provided. I enjoy it.

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