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11:17am That's fine when you include your
-mind- in there somewhere.
You're perpetuating a series of social systems that do great harm to your gender
and demographic in particular, and humanity in general.
Your freedom ends when it encroaches on the happiness and well being of others.
The objectification of half the human race towards the end of enslaving the
other half is not by any rational calculation an intended goal of free speech.
I don't know of your nationality but in our country women fought for well over a
century for the right to contribute to society in ways beyond domestic and
sexual servitude.
Women all over the world seek our level of gender equality, and people like you
piss on that legacy because they would like to pout and pre-nup their way into a
million dollar home rather than earn it.
Your total abandonment of the right to debate and participate in society beyond
the realm of trophy wife and car accessory, under the guise of hedonism and self
love, is frankly disgusting and destructive.
In her defense..
 
Kuryakin |
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Kuryakin |
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I'm from America. Again, even a casual read of my page should make this abundantly clear. Keep it up you're giving me a wealth of material.
And then She said...
 
firew0man |
And then I said...
First of all thank you for replying in a civil manner, its rare and speak volumes of your character. I'm sorry for the delay in replying I’ve just be dreadfully busy.
Shall I begin?
**I refuse to see being comfortable with myself as something that might be
harmful to other women. **
I don’t claim that, you have a right to the pursuit of comfort as we all do. Its what brings you comfort, how you display it, and its costs that are at issue.
**knowing what I want doesn't mean that I've degraded my gender**
Again, I concur, however, you’ve chosen to showcase and highlight only one small aspect of yourself, that decision, and the reasons behind it are what I was attacking.
**I don't think it would be up to you to decide where my freedom begins and ends.**
Your freedom ends where mine begins, in short when you harm others your freedom must have limits, this is why most crime is not a free expression issue. I consider showcasing your sex appeal as your primary trait, harmful. Clearly you have other valuable traits; one of them should come first, like say, the value of your mind.
**Our beliefs are arbitrary, after all**
Unless they are based on evidence, but I know what you mean.
**Nevertheless I believe that I haven't objectified anyone with regards to my
beliefs: I am simply speaking for myself.**
That may be your intention, but you are in public, and thus have some responsibilities.
**I did not, in any way, intend to offend or imply something untoward and negligent of my body and my gender.**
I believe that, which is why I'm replying in this way.
**I am half-Filipino and half-Spanish. In both of my home countries we treat
women with respect, and I would want nothing less also. The histories of both of
my countries tell of a long battle for equality and freedom that I and other
women around the world are enjoying now.**
Excellent! But surly you realize that you have 553 fans, and a picture of two beautiful women kissing each other as your avatar. Do you truly not see how that makes you a sex symbol? Do you really think the majority of those fans added you because of your views on consciousness? Western culture has turned women into products, by using it to your advantage you encourage the behaviors that make that harmful. You encourage the view of yourself as an object, and society in general rewards you for it, that is what I find harmful. You have value beyond your body!
**The way I live my life today does not in any way defile this hundred of years' worth of effort. I think I strive everyday to live my life to the fullest, and I do the best I can to be the best person that I can be. I am a person, after all, before I became a woman.**
Bravo, and read above.
**I do not know what it is about my posts that made you think that I succumb to
domesticity and sexual servitude as a way to contribute to society. **
You chose to speak of sex for a full third of your introduction text, your avatar is two women kissing, you put your gender in your name, and the first part of the name is widely associated with passion and therefore sex. You’ve made yourself all about sex, you’ve made it seem as though there is nothing else about you except beautiful girls making out at parties, surly there is more to you than that. By neglecting everything else and focusing on sex you harm women everywhere, specially the ones that aren’t blessed with sex appeal AND minds, because now they have to compete with people like you in order to even be heard. This is why feminists in my country burned bras as a symbol, and shunned makeup. They did not like the tools used to objectify them.
**I work hard to get what I need and want, I am honest with the way I live my life, and I try my best to be part of something that strives to make this world a better place. I don't know how to prove this to you, and I don't think I even need to.**
You don’t need to, but you have already. Again, that’s why I'm bothering with this reply.
**but I am hurt with the way that you have judged me without first getting to know me.**
Then take a look at what you have given me to work with! If
you have done great things, which I do not doubt, then showcase them! Not your
flesh. See, that is EXACTLY what I'm talking about, all people know is all you
tell them.
**I do believe there is a point to this argument, and your taking the time to
give me your opinion is indicative that this is not for naught.**
I'm thrilled to hear that, you are in a position to greatly impact your circle. Contemporary opinion is that hot girls are dumb and can do little else of value beyond what you are doing in your avatar. You can show them that “ugly” girls don’t help the world just because they aren’t hot, you can do this by showcasing your other values and basically keeping your sexuality where it belongs, between you and your partners, it’s none of our business.
I am by no means telling you to be ashamed; I'm just telling you to put other things first when it comes to your public image. Everyone is a role model for someone, even if they only belong to a group. Only beautiful women can do this, you can show them that you’re valuable beyond your sex appeal. Basically beauty Edit: ( I meant sex appeal ) is unimportant.
**However I do want to stress that I am not the woman that you take me for, and if you would have the time, I am open to talk with you and tell you all about me. Thank you.**
You’re most welcome, and I see that you are not what I expected, but what I expected was your creation. If you want people to see you as you truly are you must show them, and right now all you show them is that you’re a sex object who likes art.
Thank you for a real heart felt, and thought out reply.
For what its worth, you have my respect.