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Thorium Needs Salesmen

The United States won’t adopt thorium until circumstances force it on them. Honestly I don’t see it happening until post singularity unless someone in the thorium/nuclear community whips out a public relations salvo of a whole different type to what we’ve seen before.

Something that gets people emotional on both sides. Something that understands and accepts the realities of partisan politics.

We need a political apparatus like the libertarians had circa ron paul’s presidential bid. And we need a PR apparatus skill level on par with Edward Bernays.

The facts are already on our side and 99.999% of thorium and nuclear advocates think that more facts will help. Like using a tool box composed entirely of flathead screwdrivers trying to assemble a car.

I made Thorium Now as a layman to try and be an interface between the hard core science nerds and the rest of the species, but the same thing that keeps scientists from ruling the world keeps nuclear techs from being able to persuade anyone below (or even at) their intelligence level.

They are by definition specialists in the wrong field. What we need is advertising, but there’s no immediate profit in our “product” and our culture isn’t configured to parse situations like this anymore.

In the past this was exactly the kind of thing (long term diffuse profit, short term diffuse losses) that government took care of in opposition to market forces (tragedy of the commons) but because our market systems have in effect become our government via political corruption (ironically also a result of a public relations deficit on the part of government) (See also: http://www.mayday.us) that function is essentially no longer present in our culture except in a decadent way, the corpses of old programs now being picked apart by the vultures of immediate political expediency and the insatiable greed of the 1%.

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I share this as an example of what I’m talking about. The only solution to the problem the nerds can come up with is “make them like us” (via) “education.” And having spent their entire lives in a fact based world the last thing they can handle is being informed that facts are powerless politically unless they are deployed as a technology. (Anything less, even an argument for a technology, is insufficient unless there is zero resistance and the cost is low, neither of which are true in thorium’s case.)

If it’s not obvious, I’m Brandon.


 

Let’s not go the rout of manipulative propaganda. Let education be your guiding light. Put the facts on the table and we can have a civil discussion of what is humanity’s best option.”Education isn’t about conveying facts”
+Brandon Sergent
This is the kind of propaganda we need to stay away from. Let’s spread the word about nuclear technology because the truth does not need spin.

http://energyfromthorium.com/2014/04/01/2050-fearing-fear-itself/“What is the Answer? Education, education, and more education is needed to break the cycle of fear. Perpetuating conspiracy theories and blaming the non-development of thorium on big corporations, big banks, and other big energy companies needs to stop for any serious grassroots education efforts. Thorium advocates also need to raise their profile by going to mainstream websites and commenting intelligently and posting links to where the public can go to find more information.”

Brandon Sergent

For everyone who isn’t an intellectual coward. Education demonstrably ISN’T about conveying facts.Oh the epic irony, since that is a fact, and my conveying it has zero power to enlighten old Albert here.http://underlore.com/the-tyranny-of-compulsory-schooling/ <--< there’s a reason the unschooling and “education” reform movements exist.

http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity?language=en

Did you guys just sleep through the last 50 years? Alvin HIMSELF couldn’t convince anyone of anything with facts alone.

Why do you think congress is nearly devoid of PHDs? (Honoraries don’t count.) Why are heads of state never scientists?

And Albert, you do realize I founded this place right? I’m very well educated on this topic. Proximity and post moderation alone forced it on me :) Knowing the truth before most other people coupled with a desire to convey facts is why I made this place.

How much more evidence do you need that your view is the one in need of revision here? Still the same irony. No matter the length and density of the parade of facts I present to you, you’ll go right on thinking what you find comfortable to think.

For anyone else who wants to know why:
http://underlore.com/who-owns-your-limbic-system/

If you always do what you’ve always done you’ll always get what you’ve always gotten. And in nuclear case that means paranoia and medieval peasant pitchfork and torch grade fear.

Nuclear will not be adopted because of facts because the facts haven’t changed in 50 years.

For a little lesson in the power of propaganda: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/16/magazine/16wwln-freakonomics-t.html?scp=1&sq=the%20jane%20fonda%20effect&st=cse&_r=0

Now granted they were willing to lie, but even if we aren’t we still have to bring emotion to the table because that’s the only way to counter people like Helen Caldicott.

We have to make this MATTER to people if we expect it to ever happen in the west before it happens in china/india, and frankly even then.

P.S. I was president of my college by the way, I saw proof of this with my own eyes from the inside, and the epic rise of college tuition prices and the pandemic replacement of PHD college administrators with MBAs is just one of dozens of facts that will do nothing to dissuade people from climbing into a five figure life debt for no good reason.

And my dad’s career is in the college system. I grew up back stage. Honestly I should have realized the impotence of facts much sooner, but that’s just evidence of how impotent they are isn’t it. Literally right in front of me all day for years, and still I kept blaming other stuff.

I mean seriously, how do you think demonstrably broken policy finds advocates? If facts were the only thing that mattered politics would be much more uniform by now. We all have library humanica in our pockets.

In response to your duplicate comments:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+WillieZenk/posts/F98ziSLdqib?cfem=1You don’t even know what fascist means obviously. You remind me of Dave’s younger self in red dwarf calling everything he doesn’t like cryptofascist heheh.And you’ve presented no counter arguments. (Note my lack of shock.) Because you are terrified of me being right. And there are no counter arguments.

Persuasion is a science. You don’t know who Edward Bernays even is :P

Your emotions are preventing you from parsing facts. And that’s why facts are basically meaningless as persuasion tools unless they are deployed via a technology to impact human self interest.

The irony here is like glacier thick. /giggles


Willie Zenk

When I say that education is important to the nuclear cause, I’m not referring to the educational system. I’m talking about sharing my own knowledge with those who are in my small sphere of influence. To +Brandon Sergent​ ‘s point, spewing endless facts to someone (especially in the comments of an online article) is rarely, if ever, effective. But we do need to continue sharing those facts (rationally and respectfully) for those who are honestly seeking answers. Unfortunately, many people online are simply seeking confirmation for their preconceptions. I have no time for such people. My most productive advocating has been face to face, calm, 2-way conversations. This is education–factual education, tailored to the individual (milk before the meat).

Brandon Sergent

Exactly.

+Willie Zenk #naileditYou can wake people up right in front of you because they are already emotionally invested enough to be (or by being) alone with you.Facts are icing, making people want to hear them is the cake.

P.S. I know what you meant by education. They’ve intentionally made the terms a false equivalence as part of the sales pitch.

It’s an intricate elegant hideous system.

To understand the difference between education and learning, explore the difference between a compulsory school and a library.

The entire philosophy is different as is beautifully explained in the post I reblogged that no one will read. :)


The anti-nukes are making much more hay, not telling the truth than the nukes are telling the truth.

Brandon Sergent

+Ed Pheil I agree. I think the prudent thing to do is to make every effort at the entry level to tell the truth in an emotionally engaging way.It sounds maybe ghoulish and exploitative, but considering the stakes and the facts (which are emotionally palatable to us already) I would really like us to engage with the anti-cancer communities.An abundant source of actinium 225 is by all accounts ethically urgent as an anti-cancer weapon.

If we can frame these technologies as anti-cancer it would enable us to achieve a number of rhetorical victories:

1. Counter the notion that radiation=cancer in the public mind.

2. Open the door to challenging the Linear no-threshold model by pointing out the millions of cases of radiation being a safe and effective therapeutic and diagnostic tool.

3. Counter the FUD, and trump the abstract death cult hyperbole of the anti-nuke crowd with real contemporary lives saved and lives in need of saving. Seriously, if I had a child sick with leukemia and I realized that nuclear policy was denying or had denied my son or daughter an outright cure I would be a hurricane of rage and in your face activism. Counter-protest, child’s faces on placards, open letter to Helen and the like, etc.

4. We could use it as a filter to identify the fanatics by cornering them into admitting that they would rather people die of cancer than see a nuclear reactor go online somewhere in the desert.

And all that’s just off the top of my head and I’m not near as smart as the upper bounds in this community. We could do SO much better.

But first we have to fucking admit that facts alone vs this kind of entrenched bullshit is about as effective as geisha fans vs tornado season.

Comments on Season 3 of American Horror Story

TLDW?: Everyone goes to hell, no one deserves it. (no not even her)

Your revenge fantasy is not worth even in theory the opportunity cost or the ethical cost.

In the context of this show it would seem that hell gets everyone. Perhaps that’s partly because everyone is so keen on vengeance and punishment. Ironic that the deserve to punish should manufacture justification to punish. Makes me ask who benefits. Who setup this cyclic system of never ending karmic debt? And why is no one opposing it?

Complaining about a tv show, letting it get to me, it’s not as trivial as you think because any story about magic could be a story about technology and like it or not these options will be presented to our species, and as we open up and grow we may learn that some of these concepts of existential context, hells, heavens, spirit worlds, could have real world analogs and we will have to deal with them.

I like having at least some idea of what I’ll do in basic classes of strategic eventuality and in the context of this show the lack of vision and stupidity is appalling. Firstly you have a pointless adherence to tradition which betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what tradition is and therefore a profound degree of stagnation.

The seven wonders, among which are telekinesis, pyrokinesis, divination, resurrection, etc is one where they visit hell and come back. The achievement being the escaping part. One of their friends doesn’t escape. The didn’t do this test last. They admitted to reordering the test schedule at whim, it did not occur to them to sort the tests in order of failure lethality.

Imagine the stupidity and psychopathy that betrays. In this context if that’s how witches are, then they should be killed. It makes you wonder if the hunting organizations are actually a good idea.

How do they not declare war on hell? How do they not invade it to recover their friend? And if they utterly cannot by dint of cosmic law, they why on earth would they put such a risk before actions as trivial as setting a fire, or playing hide and seek, or teleporting?

The take away from the whole series is as is often the case a reminder that either people are really really stupid, or mean, or tv thinks why are. The fact that I am basically the only one that I know of that writes this way tell me it’s not merely that third one.

The take away feeling is one of disgust on many levels.

Feminists should hate it for the lack of intellect alone of the supposedly immortal female characters, let alone the rest of the cast.

At one point a character demands to be executed for her crimes for an internally valid political reason, but the response reminds me of school in that we have a demonstration that it is not the administrators that are in charge but rather the bell on the wall.

The autocrat of the witches political structure does not even consider simply decreeing a change of tradition. A rather mind numbingly stupid tradition I might add. At the very least they could update the method of execution to something both more effective and less barbaric, and perhaps most importantly, less sycophantic. Why duplicate the simplistic thuggery of your prejudicial foes? Especially considering that the one being executed had already been executed once.

I think I’m coming to grips with the fact that I simply no longer believe democracy is a good idea. I look at the world and this notion of collective self rule is proved a sham on every continent. Always some minority rules the majority by deception or force. At what point would we even in theory admit that it’s unworkable? That like all difficult tasks a specialist, preferably one trained from the cradle for it, would be best at it?

There is a lot wrong with this show.

I tried to publish this also as a netflix review but got the disgusting “Reviews must not exceed 2,000 characters.” How pathetic.

Personal Serenity

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“The time when our connection to others defined us is gone. We’ve lost all sense of self. In this world where we’re watched over by the system, and live by it’s standards, a community is no longer needed, it’s not even relevant. We all live in our own little cell, and the system tames us by giving each of us our personal serenity.” ~Shogo Makishima, Psycho Pass

http://underlore.com/who-owns-your-limbic-system/

We Earned It

 We earned it.See all the women in that crowd? When rich old white men start making laws about them like they are live stock, they earned it.

We want oppression, brutality, extortion, lies, abuse, slavery.

We want it all, we want to be tazed and searched and jailed and censored and raped and starved and poisoned.

We want poverty and suicide and death and madness. We want a state religion and carcinogenic water air and food.

We want an excuse to be the most vile shits we can be to each other.

We wanted the zombie apocalypse. And apparently we got one.

American Exceptionalism

ApexSo much of my life was spent believing in a kind of American exceptionalism. An earned kind, where America’s fundamental nature was so different and new that it amounted to social innovation akin to the steam engine, and therefore, was exceptional.

But the more I learn from experience and disparate sources, the more I realize America is just another country, as petty and infantile as any in history with only a small margin of difference in which to play.

We are worse than some nations, better than others, as a whole, or on an issue by issue basis. But the behaviors school children typically would dismiss as things only other countries would do, like torture, hydraulic despotism, murder, rewriting history, etc, are well within the scope of action for our country.

And that’s not even touching on the mythology and lies about our founding. Or the causes of our various wars, or our behavior during them.

As time goes by I feel less like an American, and more oddly enough, like a Kentuckian.

Literal Slavery, Original Debt, and the Reality of Choice

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Some have argued that slavery is defined by the ability of a slave owner to steal and sell children and that therefore wage slavery is a whiny emo term because McDonald’s can’t sell their employees children to Wendy’s. But the fact is the 1% DO buy and sell (y)our children because it saddles them with original debt and gives them a false choice every bit as loaded as the choice a slave faces: Suffer profitably for us, suffer punitively, or die.

http://underlore.com/the-tyranny-of-compulsory-schooling/

I for example, having ethics and will power, decided while still a virgin to never have children until I could afford to have them as a free person. That means not being dependent on the whim of an employer or a public school system with regard to how that child develops. This is a freedom that actually only the very rich in today’s world have.

Virtually no one in the developed world has that freedom. And the few that potentially might, have been brain wiped by that same education system and media such that they think indenturing their children to this system is not only wise, but morally urgent. Many of the rich are keen to indoctrinate their larva, saddling them with a different kind of original debt.

Original debt is the original sin of the modern world’s church.

Children are born non-people (as proved by the facts that they can’t vote and they can legally be whipped at will virtually anywhere on earth) and they even if considered citizens would still be considered worthless because by default they are “uneducated.” Which as Frank Zappa and Ray Bradbury will tell you, just means mostly unburdened by student loan debt.

People of the bootlicking variety are keen to point out how awesome compulsory education is simply because it’s costly to impose but free for the victim. But that’s the first step of original debt. It’s the collective version of the cliche abusive guardian railing about how hard it is to feed/cloth a child, therefore they should be grateful and obedient.

Which would make sense to some degree if it was an actual choice for the ward. That lack of choice is the essence of slavery.

This concept of owing a debt to your owners flies in the face of any objective non-arbitrary definition of human rights because it attaches a price tag to being born as if it was a choice.

In a sense a pet literally has more choice because a dog or a cat actually can choose to leave and the result doesn’t necessarily mean torture and death, though for a pet deep in human controlled territory or a harsh setting it could mean that.

Put simply, I didn’t ask to be born. There are two ways generally you can parse that. You can either kill me when I don’t comply. (Amusingly acknowledged with the cliche threat, I brought you into this world I can take you out.) Or you can recognize that my being alive is a debt to be paid by someone other than me. In my case the debt is paid by my parents but this isn’t fair for several reasons. Firstly, all three of us live under government rule. They ultimately have authority over every aspect of our lives. I am not allowed to so much as build a fire in my front yard or dig a well without a permit. (They have literally gone so far as to demand I paint my house a certain color.) Thus I have been utterly stripped of any real ability to provide for myself independently.

Both for ethical reasons and for diversity reasons participation in the “job” market needs to be a real choice between two or more viable alternatives.

It is morally urgent for society to accept responsibility and allow for the choice to opt out. Anything else is by definition true slavery. I should as a human by default own a share of the planet’s value equal to it’s total value divided by it’s population. “The per capita PPP GWP was approximately US$12,400.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_world_product

If I were given that by default in exchange for playing by the rules, then we could talk about employment being a choice. We could then talk about capitalism in Horatio Alger pluck and determination terms. All the self improvement and ambition rhetoric would apply.

But it doesn’t so long as the choice is dental torture and slow starvation, or being a wage/debt slave.

If my “choice” is choose an owner, be it corporate, clerical, or government, or be homeless, excommunicated, or imprisoned, then I had about as much choice as the slave who could at best choose who caused their death, or which form of torture to endure.

Until it’s actually possible for someone to live in society at the expense of society as a kind of collective inheritance, then “citizens” are nothing but slaves, with varying degrees of perks.

http://underlore.com/one-possible-solution/

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